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15. Jan 2009

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marx sickle
Umfrage #1331832 Make my decisions for me.
Open to: Alle, detailed results viewable to: Alle, participants: 8

Do I take History or German?

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History
2 (25.0%)
German
6 (75.0%)


I am equally good at both and enjoy both equally. The teaching is more consistent for German - most of the teachers suck equally - whereas one of the teachers I know for History is REALLY GOOD but boring, and the other has been rubbish all through lower school, but is apparently good for A-level.

I am already planning on taking Maths, Chemistry, Physics and Further Maths, so I want something that I can take and do the AS before dropping it at the end of Y12. German might be better for that, and it has the advantage that I want to be fluent in German, and have native German speakers in my family. However, I am also excessively good at History (full marks in all my coursework so far) and I love that, and can manage it on my own.

In short, both of them are good ideas. Disadvantages - German has a speaking element which I have problems with, and I think for History you have to study the Tudors for part of it, which I hate. But you also get to do the Russian Revolution, I think, and the unification of Germany, which I love... but I really want to speak fluent German, and I may do a degree with a year in continental Europe, where it'd come in handy, and... too many decisions.

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[info]electthedead wrote:
15. Jan 2009 21:53 (UTC)
Your History teacher is suck. So are the Tudors. I mean, all they did was eat lots and lop peoples heads off...
German is more win, and I can teach you the parts of the RR I learn in college. If I get into college :P
[info]oblivionbystars wrote:
15. Jan 2009 21:56 (UTC)
He's not so bad. You learn a lot with him, and he knows his stuff, but his lessons are dull and unvaried. He makes sure you pass your exams, though.

I HATE THE TUDORS SO SO MUCH. SRSLY. HATE HATE HAT! I have no words for it! They're just annoying, and upper-class.

You can! I already know a lot about Lenin and the 1917 Crew, but it'd be kinda cool to study it in-depth. I think I'll find out more about the History course before I make my decision.

And, of course you'll get into college :) You have awesome grades - they won't turn you down. I'm having to do interviews and applications for my own sixth form, and it's hell D:
[info]electthedead wrote:
15. Jan 2009 21:59 (UTC)
It's his job to make sure you pass.

But.... Tudors.... D:
I actually picked my colleges based on the content of their History courses. I can't stand the old system of like, monarchs and lords and stuff, and the IR is a bit boring.

My grades is not awesome. Srsly.
[info]oblivionbystars wrote:
15. Jan 2009 22:01 (UTC)
It is. But few teachers at my school actually do that job.

I know... I hate the Tudors... D:
I can't stand upper-class or middle-class history. Not at all. And anything before about 1850 turns me off - it's not personally relevant to me. I like the 20th century, really. If I was thinking of taking history further, and I had a choice of colleges (I don't) I'd have done the same.

As and A*s, amirite? Way better than those around you.
[info]electthedead wrote:
15. Jan 2009 22:03 (UTC)
Oh. Ours try. But he sounds CRAP.

They suck. I wouldn't take it. Seriously, it's bad.

Meh.
[info]oblivionbystars wrote:
15. Jan 2009 22:06 (UTC)
He is NOT MY FRIEND. He's ok - I'm getting as good grades as I could with him - but I think I'd be way happier with a teacher with a vastly different style.

They suck hard. And if you wouldn't take it, I think that's good enough for me. I'm still gonna go and find out what the course consists of, though.
[info]electthedead wrote:
15. Jan 2009 22:07 (UTC)
But ... TUDORS!!!!!!
[info]oblivionbystars wrote:
15. Jan 2009 22:11 (UTC)
I KNOW D: Mebbe they're only a little bit of the course?
[info]electthedead wrote:
15. Jan 2009 22:12 (UTC)
But...

IT'S THE FUCKING AWFUL TUDORS!


[info]oblivionbystars wrote:
15. Jan 2009 22:28 (UTC)
NOT MOTHERFUCKING TUDORS ON THIS MOTHERFUCKING HISTORY COURSE!
[info]lionyk wrote:
15. Jan 2009 21:58 (UTC)
History, because it's really respected by unis and will help you massively.
[info]oblivionbystars wrote:
15. Jan 2009 22:00 (UTC)
So is German. Having a MFL, especially nowadays, when taking one at GCSE isn't compulsory, is a massive bonus.
[info]lionyk wrote:
15. Jan 2009 22:02 (UTC)
Yeah but unless you're planning to use German in your degree, it's not so well-respected, and many unis do German as a beginner class for degrees. History, on the other hand, is well-known as being hard and is therefore respected by every uni :P
[info]oblivionbystars wrote:
15. Jan 2009 22:04 (UTC)
German is also well-known as being hard - ever tried speaking a language? It's more difficult than writing an essay on history. It's a well-respected subject, especially as Britain these days is fairly xenophobic and seems to expect everyone else to speak English.

Also, I am planning on using German in my degree, that's the problem. Imperial College does physics with a year in continental Europe, which I'm seriously considering, as well as the possibility of taking languages credits with a main physics or maths degree, or moving to Germany once I've done my initial degree.
[info]lionyk wrote:
15. Jan 2009 22:08 (UTC)
Yeah I have tried speaking another language actually, I do Spanish and have been trying to learn a bit of German and Greek.

Meh, it's your choice. You asked, I'm merely giving you my opinion and recommendation; don't have a go at me if I give you an answer you have evidently already discounted.
[info]oblivionbystars wrote:
15. Jan 2009 22:10 (UTC)
I'm not saying you don't speak a language, I'm just saying it's much harder than writing a history essay. I know you do Spanish.

Actually, I've not discounted it at all; I was leaning much more in the direction of history until a few hours ago. I'm disagreeing with your opinion so I can test it out and see if arguing against it holds water, in which case I won't take it.
[info]electthedead wrote:
15. Jan 2009 22:00 (UTC)
So is languages?
[info]ayawinner wrote:
16. Jan 2009 15:18 (UTC)
Ich habe für Deutsch gestimmt ;)
(Aus offensichtlichen Gründen. Außerdem werde ich nie wieder jemandem zu Geschichte raten, weil ich es selbst sehr hasse, seit ich es als Hauptfach habe.)
[info]oblivionbystars wrote:
16. Jan 2009 18:16 (UTC)
Ah, natürlich! Meine Meinung nach, sollte ich Deutsch lernen, aber es abhängt von, wie gut die Lehrer sind und wo es unterrichtet ist.

(Warum hast du es als Hauptfach gewählt, wenn du es hasst? Oder darfst du nicht wählen?)
[info]ayawinner wrote:
17. Jan 2009 14:10 (UTC)
Ich habe Geschichte freiwillig gewählt, aber meine Lehrerin ist furchtbar und sie verlangt sehr viel von uns, sodass ich keine besonders guten Noten schreibe.
Allerdings wüsste ich auch nicht, was ich sonst hätte wählen sollen. Da meine anderen Hauptfächer Englisch und Deutsch sind, hätte ich entweder eine andere Gemeinschaftskunde (Sozialkunde oder Erdkunde) oder eine Naturwissenschaft (Biologie, Phyik oder Chemie) wählen können. Darin bin ich allerdings noch schlechter als in Geschichte :D
[info]oblivionbystars wrote:
18. Jan 2009 00:42 (UTC)
Ich hasse es, wenn Lehrer nicht angemessen sind, weil Studenten nichts über es tun können. Für wie viel längere musst du Geschichte lernen?

Ich würde Physik, Mathe und Deutsch wählen, wenn ich nur drei Fächer lernen könnte. Glücklicherweise haben Englische Studenten mehr Optionen, und normalerweise man studiert drei oder vier Fächer vor man in die Uni geht, aber ich könnte nicht wählen und werde fünf lernen :) Mathe, Chemie, Physik, hoffentlich Deutsch, und Further Maths (ich weiss nicht, wenn es ein deutsches Äquivalent gibt, aber es ist Mathe mit addiertem Mathe :P) Ich denke, dass ich nicht anfangen darf, Mathe langweilig zu finden...
[info]ayawinner wrote:
19. Jan 2009 12:46 (UTC)
Da Geschichte eines meiner Hauptfächer (wir nennen es "Leistungskurse") ist, werde ich darin eine meiner Abiturprüfungen machen müssen. Zum Glück gibt es ein kompliziertes System, was ermöglicht, dass man in einem der Prüfungsfächer weniger Aufgaben im Abitur gestellt bekommt. Es ist ein bisschen schwierig, das zu erklären.

Ich beneide und bewundere dich dafür, dass du Physik und Chemie verstehst. Chemie habe nicht (zum Glück!) nicht mehr, aber als ich es noch hatte war es mein schlechtestes Fach. In Physik verstehe ich meistens nichts :D
Allerdings habe ich in Mathe zum Glück seinen sehr guten Lehrer, der alles geduldig erklärt, sodass ich eine der besten Schülerinnen in meinem Kurs bin :)
(Anonym) wrote:
17. Jan 2009 20:43 (UTC)
is emma
Right - for history you'd be doing the new course that current y12 are doing y/y? If not then don't bother with the rest of this, just eeniemeenie it lol

Their entire AS is Henry VIII and the Holocaust (no not as in the effect of the former on the latter, although that could be interesting... *must stop going off on historical tangents*).
Dull much? Yes they have in fact taken the two worst bits of the course and scrapped the rest, so you get loads of depth but no breadth. The staff are quite annoyed about it as well, as it was essentially sprung on them, and it bears no resemblance to uni history. SRSLY they're not even doing the Berlin trip anymore after ours because there's no point! At least there won't be all those people who only took it for the trip coughnotmeatallevercough.

The languages courses however have also been made less fun, imho, what with the scrapping of coursework (which would have been your major chance to get the history in there) and putting listening, reading and writing all in one paper. But Sarah's probably the one to discuss this part with.

I really do think you'd be better off with German from a future-ish p.o.v what with years abroad etc (though I think you'll be ok from GCSE on that score, they'll just give you more language tuition). Having said that, one of my friends did what you're planning but with history (try and find him in your 6th form prospectus if you have one lol) and loved it, having been dubious before.

Anyway, I know you'll just do which you like so this was all of course pointless :P

You can tell i'm avoiding revision can't you?
[info]oblivionbystars wrote:
17. Jan 2009 21:05 (UTC)
Re: is emma
I haven't got a clue which course we'd do, but MAN THAT SOUNDS SO BAD. I HATE HATE HAT Henry VIII, and the Holocaust is... passé. It was bad and all, but we've done so much about it and I'd die.

No coursework? *blinks* ... NO COURSEWORK? LULZ WUT. But I like languages coursework. Oh man oh man oh man. That is penis, on a plate. Ugh. *shudder* BOTH sound bad.

Is your friend the one who's going to do maths or something at Cambridge? Mrs Brooke said I should talk to him, as apparently I would learn things :P Is he the one who explained imaginary numbers to me?
(Anonym) wrote:
17. Jan 2009 21:48 (UTC)
Re: is emma
Précisement. And you get to do what you like for it, so I'm using it as essentially a history project but in French.
Oh forgot before, in history you get to do a Personal Study on whatever you like (srsly at all ever), so you could do your Bismarck there, but I have a sneaking suspiscion you'd have to do it about Britain in your course :(

Yes he is, maths and physics - you should definitely speak to him, you WOULD learn a lot (he's like rob, only less clever-by-accident if you get me). Although you'd never agree politically.
Or you could just do AS further maths, either way...
But yes, we applied to the same college too :(
No, not him, someone else. Andrew (imaginary numbers) is reasonably similar, but a bit less clever and more stereotypical geek.

Would you like to hear an amusing story about me and Josh? (Aforementioned mathematician, not bassoonist)
No, not like that *rolls eyes*
I texted you btw
[info]oblivionbystars wrote:
18. Jan 2009 00:46 (UTC)
Re: is emma
I don't love Bismarck that much (hell no, have you seen the man's politics? A quick Wiki search tells me all I need to know!) but doing about Germany would interest me, as I prefer it substantially to Britain. If there's nothing even about that, sorry, but there's no way I'm taking History.

I should speak to him, then! Damn that we'd never agree politically - it sucks that intelligent people can have stupid views. I'm doing AS further maths anyway (dear, I want to get onto a physics degree or a maths degree, it's relatively necessary :P) but apparently he'd... be useful to talk to, according to her, and she's the one teacher whose opinion I listen to.

I would, actually! Is he the gay one, or have I got them confused? I also know you texted, but I'm down to my last 9p of credit and so cannot reply. I am very glad of the personal interest you're taking in my prom dress :P I think I'll get myself down to Debenhams and have a look, basically. Or get on the website first, and have a look for that one you said about, but I'd need to try it on to make sure I didn't look too obscene. Thankyou very much :)
(Anonym) wrote:
19. Jan 2009 22:17 (UTC)
Re: is emma
When I said Bismarck I just meant general Unification/pre-Wilhelmine stuff.
Sarah and Hannah (Jevons) vote German, too btw

*Thinks of occasion you would actually meet* Damn your y11-and-hence-lack-of-free-periods-ness!
Well, he was brought up Tory and doesn't seem to have rescinded the view, however he has no issues with Pete and afaik Laura&Kathryn, Edward's ideas put him in the shade, and he's thankfully not religious; so you know...

Oh, re: further maths, check in your prospectus thing/ with Mrs Brook(e?) as to what modules you'd be doing - our year did Decision 1 and 2 in y12, neither of which are accepted by Cambridge, among other unis, so you may need to go down the Josh route of teaching yourself extra modules to replace them :/

Or go down the Emma route and hold off F.M until y13 when you can pick your modules :)

No, Pete is the gay one (as referenced above). I should do a chart of all my male friends so my friends in other years know who they are lol

I can't remember what the anecdote was, so I'll tell you the (slightly embarrassing(for him)) story of Josh's love life:
Josh spends much of his spare time on facebook;
here he looks up girls who generally live in the ne area, but not close by;
after a while, he will start to refer to her as his girlfriend
sometimes he will arranged to meet the girl (this leads to much speculation among the other boys as to whether she is actually a 40yr old man),
however this will rarely go ahead due to: impracticalities re: distance; her being involved w/ someone else closer to home (ie whom she's actually seen) etc etc.

Srsly, I once spent an afternoon on the net for him looking up trains to conisbrough (where he never actually ended up going).
I is Good Friend!

Oh, i remembered the anecdote - it was about a box of cointreau chocolates, and you really had to be there
(Anonym) wrote:
19. Jan 2009 22:20 (UTC)
Re: is emma
I is also queen of long comments :)
Has also realised that you really don't need telling of the pitfalls of ldrs, but hey
(Anonym) wrote:
26. Jan 2009 15:56 (UTC)
Random stalker comment
If you don't like the Tudors and will have to study them, don't bother taking History, because you will find yourself spending fucking hours of your life thinking about them. Like you'll go to bed and dream about the reasons that Henry VII closed down the monasteries. If you're going to do it properly it's a massively time consuming subject. And no matter how able you are it's still hard if you want a good grade in it. I got full marks in my GCSE coursework without even trying and worked my absolute arse off to get my A at A level.

Languages, however, are a bit of a doss. And I study them at university so this isn't just a random disparaging comment (NB, they're hard AS at Cambridge :P) (if you think hard enough and paid any attention to nagty people then you might be able to work out who I am, lol). At A level, they are absolute piss - the lightest workload of them all. Conversation's a bitch, I agree, but it's all practice. And you get a useful skill for much less effort than History, which really does eat your life up.

On a side note - a classist historian? Interesting. I personally enjoy studying viewpoints that I completely disagree with, but maybe that's my perverse academically masochistic side coming out :P
[info]oblivionbystars wrote:
26. Jan 2009 18:33 (UTC)
Re: Random stalker comment
In that case, I won't do history. It's not that I hate the Tudors, although on a personal level, I do - it's more that they just BORE me, and don't excite me at all, whereas with German it's like 'ooh, German! :)' and I don't want to be devoting my LIFE to subjects I don't look forwards to.

If there's less work, then again, that's a massive plus - I'll be taking 5 AS, so I want as small a workload as is possible within that. I know the course we do has no coursework (which kinda annoys me, really - I'm good at languages coursework) which has to help. Dosses are always awesome :) (In terms of the Big Mystery of who you are, I'd imagine you're... damn, I can't remember your name - Zoe, maybe - but, the person who went to do Spanish at Uni.)

I like to study viewpoints that I disagree with totally, yeah, but I don't like to study issues that I disagree with totally. I mean... I wouldn't mind covering, say, the views of those who thought the New Deal was excessively socialist and government intervention is a DREADFUL thing, but I would really dislike doing a whole module on the evolution of capitalism through the 19th century, to pick an example out of thin air. Actually, that might be kinda interesting. I mean... *shrugs* I don't know exactly what I mean. Some things just turn me off, and studying royalty is one of them.
(Anonym) wrote:
26. Jan 2009 18:59 (UTC)
Another random stalker comment
I do think German is the best option. I mean, I did get a little excessive with my History work - I spent literally half the year working on my personal study because it was made of awesome, but even so, you can't exactly glide to an A. I still would've had to work pretty hard even if I wasn't majorly keen and willing to do it anyway. Especially if you're doing 5AS levels, History is best not to be one of them unless it's one of your main ones, and it seems like you're doing sciency ones anyway. Plus, it's much harder to do well at A level if you don't actually care about your subjects. Well, I think so.

And yeah, that is me. Go me :) And it was Spanish and Russian, for some godforsaken reason.

And I suppose I can see your point. Although I still loved studying the roots of the Tories and all that, despite being desperately un-Conservative. And I did a whole personal study on religion in politics, despite being agnostic. But maybe I'm just strange - I enjoy studying the other side mostly so I can rip it apart :P
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